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    Help us stop the Democrats' giant income-tax hike!


    By Nick, Section News
    Posted on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 08:06:46 AM EST

    If you haven't already called your State Senator and the whole GOP Leadership team, click HERE to track them down and let them know you're watching them and expect:

    1. Real reforms that change the status quo and save the state serious cake.

    2. A NO vote on any tax hike.

    What are you waiting for... go... now...  Seriously!

    < House Dems still unable to unify caucus on massive income-tax hike, libs giving a pass to their own | EXCLUSIVE: RightMichigan.com obtains working-plan of comprehensive Senate reforms >
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    "Real Reforms" (1.00 / 1) (#1)
    by NoviDemocrat on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 10:05:37 AM EST
    Too bad Nick's list of "real reforms" is largely smoke and mirrors. 1 Billion in savings? Hardly. Let's review together and see what's real and what's fantasy world.

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    By no means a comprehensive list, right now we have the chance to move any and all of the following reforms and savings:

    *Make Michigan a right-to-work state.

    [Doesn't save a cent and is DOA politically but sure, waste your time trying to get that done. Savings $0]

    *Eliminate prevailing wage (saving the state tens if not hundreds of millions).

    [Really? The Mackinac Center's numbers on this are completely speculative. Most big projects are federally funded which are covered by Bacon-Davis. I'll give you $25 million but that's being generous.]

    *Kill PA312 which demands binding arbitration between public employee unions and local governments (probably the number one item on any local elected's wish list).

    [This would probably save money but since it's at the local government level, that doesn't translate  into savings for the state. It only applies to police and firefighters not "public employee unions" as stated in your post.]

    *Kill MESSA to save $400 million a year.

    [Speculative and at best, a one-time fix. MESSA isn't the cause of increasing health care costs and competition has done little to slow the increase in those costs. It won't happen but I'll give you $200 million]

    *Cancel the raise public employees are due to receive next year saving $110 million a year.

    [The opportunity to do that has already been missed. No savings to the state.]

    *Look at Rep. Lorence Wenke's idea to ask public employees to cover $.25 on the dollar of their health care premiums saving the state another $400 million.

    Uh, that's not a real idea. "Rep. Wenke says his goal isn't to get legislation passed, but rather-- to gain the right attention." Savings $0]

    *Take a look at sentencing guidelines at our correctional facilities but even if you don't release a single prisoner, allowing only 5% of them to be housed / supervised by privately managed facilities would save the state another $200 million according to a Rio Grande Foundation study.

    [We tried this. The privately run facility in Lake County not only failed to generate costs savings, it led to a rash of accusations of physical, mental, and sexual abuse. Why should we try this again? Savings $0]

    *Eliminate the office of the First Gentleman saving $250,000 a year.

    [Wow! You found the big bucks here. Savings $250,000]

    *Cancel plans to build a luxurious new MSP HQ opting instead to maintain the $1 a year lease at the current building saving the state $5 million.

    [Long-term savings are minimal due to needs for future repairs to current HQ but we'll give you $5 million today. Savings $5 milllion]  

    *Cap welfare benefits for able-bodied adults at four years saving hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

    [Cite some numbers. I'll give you $100 million]

    So let's tally that up - Nick's so-called 1 billion in savings is, at best, a little over $300 million. You have a lot more work to do Nick to get to 1 billion in real savings.

    Oh heavens (again) (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Nick on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 10:11:49 AM EST
    Change versus the status quo.

    Hey, if the highest unemployment rate in the nation, the highest rate of personal bankruptcy and foreclosure, the worst move-out rate and being the only state in the nation to lose jobs since 2001 works for you, that's fine.  

    Doesn't so much work for me.  

    As far as the numbers, if it's all the same, I'll take the word of economists over a tax-and-spend lefty.  Thanks, though.

    Strawman (1.00 / 1) (#3)
    by NoviDemocrat on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:05:48 AM EST
    Nice try Nick. Your ideas include items that don't save the state a cent, or phony numbers or ideas that even their supporters admit aren't going to be adopted. That's not supporting change. That's believing in fantasy-world ideas. Come back to earth and work on a list that's grounded in reality.

    novi says; (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by PMOTVRWC on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:20:15 AM EST
    "Your ideas include items that don't save the state a cent"

    Yes, that is true, however, some of it does increase tax revenue coming into the state without tax increases.......GEEEEEZZZZZZZ!  

    You know I just figured out why this doesn't work for novi.......IT DOESN'T RAISE TAXES!   SILLY ME!

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