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    Joint Primary Update: Did he really just say that?


    By Nick, Section News
    Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 08:46:11 AM EST

    After last week's action in the Senate to approve a joint Presidential primary on January 15 and statements of support from both Michigan Republicans and Michigan Democrats (including Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow) one might think the House would follow-up and get things going when they came back to work this week.

    Thus far that hasn't happened, and, according to the Chairman of the House Ethics and Elections Committee, he has no plans at all to even bring the issue up for debate in his committee.

    According to Lansing insider publication Gongwer, Democrat  Marc Corriveau said he doesn't like the idea for two reasons.  First, he doubts that the majority of Michigan voters like the idea.  Second, during a fiscal crisis it's too expensive to hold an election.

    Wait, what?  The good Representative from Northville is pretty new at this whole state rep thing so I'll try to cut him a little bit of slack but... but... he's not exactly pushing himself into the running for the smartest-man-in-Lansing competition.

    Read on...

    On point one, the same day he tells Gongwer he doesn't think Michigan voters like the idea a new poll comes out through the governor's own pollster, Fast Eddy Sarpolus, showing that 90% of those polled think it's important to have some sort of primary.  

    Asked specifically about holding a joint primary as being discussed and approved by the Senate and that number is still at 70%!  

    So there's that.  But hey, Marc has an excuse.  Maybe he hadn't seen the poll when he made his statement.

    On point number two he just plain looks silly.  Apparently the Representative isn't aware that under current statute Michigan WILL hold a primary next February.  It's already on the books.  It's been on the books.  It's not new.  That added expense he's worried about doesn't exist!

    Moving the date won't add a single penny to the tab.  

    It's hard to believe anyone in Lansing could be that ill-informed.  Has Corriveau made an endorsement in the POTUS race?  Has he picked a horse that would benefit from scuttling a closed primary?  Is there something else going on here?

    I won't pretend to be knowledgeable enough about the inner-workings of MDP party politics to make a call there but I know enough from my time in and around MRP that when you're dealing with an issue like the method of delegate selection there's always SOMETHING going on.  

    Frankly, shenanigans might be the best case scenario here.  Because if Corriveau isn't just playing games with the process then he has an appalling lack of knowledge about the state and the laws on the books.  Not the sort of thing that engenders confidence in the Democrat majority.

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    Spin? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Communications Guru on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:25:49 PM EST
    Man, you really outdid yourself on this misrepresentation. I know you constantly do it, but even for you this is an all-time low. What Rep. Corriveau actually said was "that at a time when budgets are tight, a statewide presidential primary instead of a system paid by the state parties would be too expensive."

    That's a far cry from your spin - actually outright lie. You are a piece of something. I better say work or my comment will be deleted. Let me say that as someone who follows politics pretty regularly. I could care less about when and how the Presidential primary is conducted.


    Do political parties pay for Prez Primaries? (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dutchsma on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:41:19 PM EST
    If there is an open primary election, like the GOP holds, I don't think the party pays for that.  If there is a caucus, like the MDP has, I think the Democratic Party pays for that.

    Except for the possibility of additional ink in the ballot printing costs, I think Nick is right when he says it wouldn't cost taxpayers any more than it is already slated to cost to move the election.

    I wonder how Rep. Corriveau would vote on election consolidation issues.  Would he combine all elections for school board, community colleges, etc. to August and November dates?  That would save the taxpayers a lot of money.

    If you're OK with disenfranchising millions of (none / 0) (#3)
    by Nick on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:17:06 PM EST
    voters that's your business.

    But how was that verbatim quote any different than what I said?

    There's ALREADY going to be a party primary!  It's ALREADY on the books.  We're not talking about anything extra!  

    Now, if he wants to make the argument that we can't afford that and we should CANCEL the primary altogether, that'd be an entirely different argument.  But that's not what he said.  

    Feel free to hate me and think I'm a piece of X but don't let your vitriol blind you to the facts.

    Backstabbed by the Governor... (none / 0) (#5)
    by RightMacomb on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 06:18:01 PM EST
    According to the Detroit News...

    Gov. Jennifer Granholm said today that state legislators will begin voting tomorrow on a proposal to hold presidential primaries in January.

    Granholm, speaking at the Michigan State Fairgrounds, said House Speaker Andy Dillon, D-Redford Township, told her the primary bill would move out of committee despite opposition from its chairman, State Rep. Marc Corriveau, D-Northville.

    Corriveau has got to be feeling the love today...

    well of course... she's a Hillary gal (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Nick on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 06:46:23 PM EST
    and Hillary wants a primary.  She doesn't want a caucus where John Edwards could walk away with the state's delegates!

    Please (none / 0) (#7)
    by Communications Guru on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 02:35:48 PM EST
    You can't really be serious? You can't really expect anyone to believe you see no difference between your quote and what the Representative said? Here's what you said:  "Second, during a fiscal crisis it's too expensive to hold an election."

    And what was actually said. "He also said that at a time when budgets are tight, a statewide presidential primary instead of a system paid by the state parties would be too expensive."

    I know you can see the difference; You're dishonest, not stupid.


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