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    College Republicans Start the Year off RIGHT!


    By jzatkoff, Section News
    Posted on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 04:17:13 PM EST

    (Promoted by Nick...)

    On September 11, 2001 terrorists viciously attacked and killed nearly 3,000 innocent men, women, and children.

    As College Republicans we often provide the only source for patriotism on college campuses. This year we have taken it upon ourselves to "Remember 9/11."

    Nine (9) College Republican chapters will be setting up flag memorials of nearly 3,000 4"x6" American Flags on their campus. Each flag represents an innocent victim killed only six years ago.

    These flag memorials are part of a more broad "Battleplan" so to speak that has been developed. Each month the College Republicans will host an event such as this in order to raise awareness that conservatism is alive and well on college campuses!

    If you would like to get involved in helping out the College Republicans for future events such as "Pork Barrell Spending," "Right To Work," "Choose Life," and "S.A.F.E. on Campus" please feel free to contact me, Justin Zatkoff, at jzatkoff@umich.edu.

    For now though, I encourage you to visit a flag memorial at a school near you:

    Calvin College (Commons Lawn)

    Central Michigan University (Lawn next to Library)

    Ferris State University (Campus Quad)

    Grand Valley State University (Cook Tower)

    Hillsdale College "Campus Quad"

    Michigan State University "The Rock"

    Oakland University (Behind the Oakland Center)

    University of Michigan (In the Diag, in front of the Flagpole)

    Western Michigan University (In front of the Bernhard Center)

    Justin Zatkoff
    Chairman
    Michigan Federation of College Republicans
    www.mfcr.org

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    It's... (none / 0) (#1)
    by DMOnline on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 05:01:26 PM EST
    ...both encouraging and heart-warming to see there is a younger generation who still thinks it's okay to show their patriotism.

    It'll be interesting and depressing to see just how many reports of vandalism to the flags result from this.

    DMOnline

    Thanks, Zatkoff (none / 0) (#2)
    by Nick on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 05:51:40 PM EST
    and a big thanks to all the CR's who're paying respect.  

    This is a tremendous and touching move on your part and I appreciate it not as a conservative or whatever... but as an American.

    So thanks.

    Thank You from Afghanistan (none / 0) (#3)
    by Hildy on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 11:03:04 PM EST
    Thanks for the remembrance of our people who were murdered. Also, we are winning over here.

    Gerry Hildenbrand

    CR (none / 0) (#4)
    by NoviDemocrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 11:46:03 PM EST
    I wonder how the future Iraqi war vets currently enrolled in ROTC like to hear that "College Republicans ... often provide the only source for patriotism on college campuses." Insulting to those who are actually going to serve our country, don't you think?

    • No. by Nick, 09/10/2007 11:46:39 PM EST (none / 0)
    Shame on the CRs (none / 0) (#6)
    by politicswatcher on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:09:25 AM EST
    Justin Zatkoff should be ashamed of himself for politicking on 9/11. You don't have to be a Republican to remember what happened six years ago.

    Classy (none / 0) (#8)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 02:28:13 AM EST
    Guess I can see where the Larry Craig's and the Bob Packwood's of the world get started.

    If this isn't typical (none / 0) (#9)
    by LX on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 08:35:57 AM EST
    The last two post by low class Democrats to sully the efforts of unity on college campuses in remembrance of a time of chaos and tragedy in our nation.

    NoviDemocrat, you are a despicable individual to even suggest anything close to what you referenced.

    God bless our troops! Thank you and come home safe!

    What's insulting (none / 0) (#10)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 09:18:39 AM EST
    is for one political party to claim that they are the "only source for patriotism on college campuses". Last time I checked, there's were plenty of patriots who have served and do serve who aren't members of the Republican party. That's hardly a message of unity on September 11th.

    • Unbelievable by politicswatcher, 09/11/2007 09:35:27 AM EST (none / 0)
    What you should be ashamed of ND (none / 0) (#12)
    by PMOTVRWC on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 10:26:28 AM EST
    is having the most wanted terrorist in the world spouting the democratic line lock stock and barrel.  

    Most college campus's today are nothing more than indoctrination centers for tomorrows socialists.  The CR's are very brave to stand up for this country in area's where patriotism of ones country is mostly vilified.  

    I don't get it (none / 0) (#13)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 10:29:01 AM EST
    Is this some kind of conservative family feud?

    Ashamed? (none / 0) (#14)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 10:41:47 AM EST
    Shouldn't we be ashamed that 6 years after the worst terrorist attack on our country that the perpetrator of that attack is still running free and mocking us? I would think if I was leader of the greatest country in the world with the world's greatest military at my control, I would be ashamed if I had not been able to capture the one man responsible.

    "The CR's are very brave to stand up for this country in area's where patriotism of ones country is mostly vilified."

    Oh please. When was the last time you were on a college campus? 90% of the students can't be bothered to listen to the cranks that make up the College Republicans or their counterparts on the left. To imply that most college students villify their country is just an outright lie.

    • Nice dodge ND by PMOTVRWC, 09/11/2007 12:06:16 PM EST (none / 0)
    Protesting America Under the Shroud of Patriotism (none / 0) (#16)
    by Rougman on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 05:39:54 PM EST
    Where to start on this one....

    For me that old "we're patriots too!" rejoinder is getting pretty old.

    Novi, you represent the same Democrat party who patriotically placed the "General Betray Us" ad in the New York Times.

    You represent the same party whose patriotic members have accused General Petraeus of lying and patriotically said they would "not buy" his testimony before they heard it.  To your esteemed Senate leader Patreaus is just another General Westmoreland that "cooks the books."

    You represent the same party whose patriotic (and silly) fat cows were thrown from the hearings for disrupting important testimony being given.

    Though you lament and are shamed of the non-capture of bin Laden, at the same time you represent the party that fought tooth and nail to kill the Patriot Act, fought to stop the NSA from monitoring international calls, exposed the tracking of international funds of terrorist organizations and screamed over non-invasive data mining.  Your party's leaders compared our soldiers at Guantanamo to the Nazis and compared our soldiers in the Middle East to terrorists--all the while your party's members protested our soldiers that lay injured in their beds at Walter Reed.

    It speaks volumes to me that the best rallying cries the Democrats have been able to come up with since Islamic fascists declared war on us is "Remember Abu Ghraib" and "Guantanamo Torture!"

    This is just a friendly little tip.  It would be much easier to recognize your party's patriotism once in a while if it, you know, wasn't bashing America all of the time.  Think of the upside--you guys wouldn't have to look like hypocrites every time you ventured outside and basked in the freedoms this country provides you.  And, I think, you could use a little sun.

    Sorry, Nick.  Too much coffee today.  

    Dems (none / 0) (#17)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 06:01:32 PM EST
    'For me that old "we're patriots too!" rejoinder is getting pretty old.'

    It's not "we're patriots too", it's simply "we're patriots". We don't have to justify ourselves to you or your party. Just because you attempt to wrap your failed policies and beliefs in "patriotism" and "America" doesn't make them either patriotic or American. Your party isn't "America" and I sure as heck am not going to temper my criticism because you attempt to say it's so.

    This isn't about patriotism. It's about providing cover for this President and his failures in policies and administration of this war. That's all you're concerned about. How many more US troops are going to die and how many more billions of dollars will go into the blackhole of Iraq between now and January 2009 so that George Bush can leave office and head off to his ranch claiming he didn't "retreat" from Iraq? He's going to leave this mess for the next President to clean-up. If we'll lucky, we'll have a Democrat who will get us out of that mess and stop the endless loss of US lives and dollars. If we're not, we'll be consigned to another 4 years of US troops being killed in endless fighting and the US treasury depleted to feed the war machine.

    Did Novi just pledge his support to Denny K? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Nick on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 06:11:49 PM EST
    I think he did... none of the other candidates are doing anything to bring the troops home... hmm... interesting.

    Don't forget to demonize (none / 0) (#19)
    by Dutchsma on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 06:46:44 PM EST
    former president's from your own party.  It was JFK and LBJ who got us into Vietnam where we lost more than 58,000 troops.  And when they came home and got spit upon, scorned and worse.

    And then don't forget about the Republican president who got us out of the war.

    Oh, and don't forget about Truman (Democrat)getting us into Korea and Eisenhower (Republican)getting us out.

    For pete's sake Novi...

    It's simple (none / 0) (#20)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:49:56 PM EST
    While George Bush is President, there will be no serious reduction of US forces in Iraq below pre-surge levels. If a Republican gets elected President, in 2012, we'll still be shipping troops and billions of dollars to Iraq and some of the troops will be coming back to places like Arlington. Does anyone dispute that?

    Does anyone dispute that? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Hildy on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 07:39:49 AM EST
    No I do not. If Arlington was not there or any other national cemetery, chances are that we would not be having this conversation. Even though I disagree with almost everything you say I am defending your rights just a much as I am those with whom I agree with, most of the time. Whether you find this war immoral or not, we didn't start it. Like most wars we get sucker punched and then have to kick someone's butt.

    I am not a defeatist. I believe in my country, our capabilities and the people. When President Bush (41), Clinton or Bush (43) put our guys into harms way I support them regardless of the political stripping of the President and so do mainstream Americans.
    What I saw Move-on.Org do to Gen. Gen. Petraeus was pathetic. They should be embarrassed, but I don't believe they think they did anything wrong. Which begs the question? Is ignorance bliss?  

    Gerry

    Are we placing bets? (none / 0) (#23)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 09:44:25 AM EST
    "Today, President Bush is expected to announce a draw down of troops by next summer.  If that happens you will be wrong."

    You mean the same troops that would have come home anyways because we couldn't sustain the surge beyond next summer? So Bush is going to announce that the troops that would have been coming home anyways are coming home. That's something.

    This is what I said:

    "While George Bush is President, there will be no serious reduction of US forces in Iraq below pre-surge levels."

    Unless he's prepared to announce that those withdrawals are going to be below pre-surge levels, my prediction will still hold true.


    Last time I checked (none / 0) (#26)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 11:12:45 AM EST
    US troops in Germany, Kosovo or Korea weren't getting killed at rates higher than last year. Except for accidental deaths, they're not getting killed at all! So to equate the situation in Iraq with any of those places is ludicrous.

    So you're denying (none / 0) (#28)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 02:29:19 PM EST
    that US casulties this year on a month-to-month basis aren't higher in Iraq than they were last year? You better bring some numbers to back up your claim.

    I don't expect every last troop out of Iraq in 2012 even with a Democrat in office. This current administration has made too much of a mess to expect it to be cleaned up significantly. But a D in office will lead to major troop reductions and a goal to get the US out of Iraq as soon as possible. An R in office won't reduce troops significantly, if at all, and will promise to keep us engaged in battle idefinitely.

    Appeasement does not bring Peace (none / 0) (#30)
    by Rougman on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 03:30:16 PM EST
    But, as speeches go Novi, thats the finest one I've heard since Neville Chamberlain passed away.

       

    Appeasement? (none / 0) (#31)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 04:33:35 PM EST
    What are you talking about? By all our your initial claims, we should be able to claim victory and leave:

    • WMDs - gone, they apparently were never there but whatever
    • Saddam - gone, feel safer now?
    • Democracy - Doesn't the purple fingers prove it?

    As the President said, Mission Accomplished. So it's time to bring our troops home.

    Status Quo (none / 0) (#32)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 04:43:48 PM EST
    "I think withdrawing 30-50k troops to pre-surge levels is "Major Troop Reductions"."

    It's a return to the pre-surge status quo, nothing more. So by this definition, a reduction of 30 - 50,000 troops below pre-surge levels is a "major troop reduction"? That sounds like a bet you'll lose easily.

    NoviDem backs down... (none / 0) (#33)
    by John Galt on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 05:47:08 PM EST
    Good for you.  I didn't think you would put your money where your mouth is.

    Define your words - "Major Troop Reductions".  And give me your over/under.  I'd just give you 5% +/-, but you tell me your margin of error.

    You said you wanted to bet.  I know the surge will come home, and Democrat Senators said "it's not enough."  So make your bet, Demoncrat.  Put your money where your lying liberal mouth is.

    Backing down from what? (none / 0) (#34)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 05:54:38 PM EST
    You said that a 30 - 50,000 troop reduction is a major troop reduction. I said a R President won't do  a reduction that large below the pre-surge numbers and a D President will. So what's the pre-surge number? 120,000? So split the difference at 80,000?

    Numbers (none / 0) (#36)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 06:08:57 PM EST
    I had the pre-surge number wrong. It's 130,000. You defined it by 30 - 50,000 so I'll go with 40,000 as a major troop reduction and that will get us to 90,000. Dem President takes office in January 2009 so let's go with Dec. 31, 2009 and 90,000 with no margin. You get the over and I'll take the under.

    I actually think it will be more (none / 0) (#38)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 06:38:21 PM EST
    but a good gambler will always go with the best bet.

    If I've learned anything over the last 6 years (none / 0) (#40)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 11:42:43 PM EST
    it's not to underestimate the ability of the current administration to screw things up in the worst kind of way (or are we still claiming "Mission Accomplished!") With this group, you have to hedge because every time you think they've done the worst that they can, they find a way to take it to a new low.

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