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    Stupak bans videotaping at townhall meeting


    By stupakwatcher, Section News
    Posted on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:33:08 PM EST
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    Facing a tough re-election challenge, Congressman Bart Stupak banned videotaping at a townhall meeting in Cheboygan on Monday.

    The event, which was organized by Stupak's congressional office and held inside the Cheboygan City Council Chambers, was advertised as open to the public. But several individuals were prohibited from videotaping what Stupak had to say, according to a report in today's Cheboygan Daily Tribune:

    Before the meeting even started some of the audience members argued for videotaping the meeting. Stupak objected, noting that often such meetings are used out of context on Web posting sites such as You Tube. A vote was taken of the 60 or so people who crammed the chambers and the majority chose not to allow video cameras.

    Once that was established, Stupak gave a brief update on what legislation he has been working on, and then fielded questions about everything from Veterans Administration health care and immigration laws to work visas and the price of gas.

    What does Stupak have to hide? And how can he justify banning videotaping at an open meeting?

    It looks like he's taking a page from the playbook of Gary Peters at CMU.

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    They've seen the way their own (none / 0) (#1)
    by Nick on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 01:41:28 PM EST
    activists behave in Congressional races around the country and don't want that happening to them.

    Of course, there's an interesting legal question here... can an unofficial "vote" of participants at a public event on public property eliminate the legal right of others to videotape the proceedings?

    Folks with cameras probably did the "appropriate" thing in going along with Stupak's anti-free-speech wishes but clearly he wasn't right to object to the use of cameras.

    what? (none / 0) (#3)
    by whatever on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 02:04:15 PM EST
    where does the constitution guarantee a right to videotape? the meeting was an open, public meeting. to my understanding no one was turned away at the door and everyone who wanted to attend was allowed to attend.

    he does have a point about people abusing technology in dishonest ways.

    he asked before hand if people. it sounds like people complied. had people not complied he would have also been within his "constitutional rights" to not participate.

    don't agree (none / 0) (#4)
    by whatever on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 02:05:19 PM EST
    i really don't think stupak is in a "tough" re-election. he'll eat casperson for breakfast. not even close.

    Bad show.,.. (none / 0) (#7)
    by mcdirt on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 03:47:22 PM EST

    Anybody attending an open-to-the-public event at a taxpayer-funded facility should be able to record the proceedings in any way they see fit. It is outrageous that Stupak suggested otherwise and sad that the crowd voted with him.

    But who can help but empathize with the dozens of folks in the audience who sided with Stupak -- who have seen one too many hatchet jobs from videocam-wielding "citizens" exercising their "Constitutional rights"?

    From the account, it's impossible to say whether the would-be tapers were mild-mannered citizens or partisans who telegraphed vitriol that foreshadowed a video hatchet job.

    We can all do our part by denouncing the new breed of shrill YouTube assasins dressed up in their fancy First Amendment clothes. It doesn't further civil debate, and is an insult to the First Amendment that weakens, rather then strengthens its safeguards.

    amen! (none / 0) (#9)
    by whatever on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 04:13:07 PM EST
    well said, mcdirt.

    Remember Fealk's Arrest (none / 0) (#10)
    by chetly on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:09:08 AM EST
    Folks, we need to carefully think this through and understand the contrast between three situations.

    Bruce Fealk might go to jail for refusing to stop videotaping in Troy 3 weeks ago.  This issue will keep coming up again and again, so lets think it through.

    Fealk walked into a public building (Troy Community Center) which apparently prohibits taping in the hallways but allows those who RENT rooms to have their own policy in the rooms.  Sometimes the rooms are rented for birthday parties, sometimes for Republican and Democratic Party public and private events, sometimes for who knows what.  In the Fealk case, the Republicans rented the room for a quasi-open "panel" of non-candidates on the Republican role in black history.  The organizers asked everyone to not use cameras - Fealk refused, ironically citing me (I had been denied in 2007 the ability to tape a City Council campaign debate hosted partially by Democrats, with MSM videocameras given an exclusive, but I didn't wait for police since I understand it was a nuanced legal situation balancing private and public rights and since it just wasn't worth it over that -- but they were candidates for office and the exclusion was targeted solely at me, so I consider the situation then worse than Fealk's beef).

    Lennox - he videotapes on a public university campus, and has never published students faces to my knowledge despite that bogeyman concern being raised, and he's taping a US Congressional candidate who is also a State employee (CMU is a state school).

    Stupak - public meeting using CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.  Seems plain to me.  The Chambers should be subject to the Open Meetings Act (indeed, if a quorum of councilpersons were present, this would be a violation of the OMA open-videotaping provisions), but even if the quorum wasn't present its public property.  If Stupak wants to rent private property he can control the situation - who cares if a majority (of Stupak supporters) held a hand vote.  We're a nation of laws and hand votes of rooms full of people can't override the First Amendment.

    So you have to understand where you are and the distinction between private and public.


    Chetly Zarko
    Outside Lansing & Oakland Politics

    I was the videographer in that meeting... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Political Patriot on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:27:55 AM EST
    The meeting was an open meeting for the general public. It was the first Bart Stupak meeting, of what will be many, that I attend.  My motive was political.   You bet.  Bart's a politician...and he represents me. When I set my camera up, he asked me politely not to video.  I politely responded that "it's a public meeting".  He stated, yes, that's true, but he still preferred I not video, saying that the videos end up on YOUTUBE, taken out of context, and are usually used for "political" reasons.  He also added that there may be people in the room that don't want to be on tape.  He said that if I were a member of the press, that it would be different as they "tend to be more objective".  Yeah right.  That's why we need to get involved...because of our "objective" press.  I tentatively agreed then to video him only, and only when I was asking my question (which had to do with whether or not he would sign the discharge petition on the S.A.V.E. Act (HR 4088) that's stuck in committee in Congress.  He said that if I insisted on videoing, that he wouldn't call on me to ask my question.  Then he said, "Let's take a vote"  and asked the crowd if this man should be allowed to video.  He proceeded to count the hands and then said to me that it looked like the crowd didn't' want me to video.  He also said that this was HIS meeting (to me), which struck me as kind of funny as I thought WE paid his gas to get there, WE paid his (2) assistants to be there with him, and WE pay for his five or six offices around the state!  I made a comment about this being a republic and not a democracy. I pushed the record button on my camera and peacefully recorded the whole meeting in spite of the mob that tried to over-ride my right to do so.  I was able to get my question answered by verbally inputting it in blank space when he paused a few times.  Asked in a polite and professional manner, he obviously felt compelled to answer it.  He said he couldn't sign the discharge petition for a number of reasons, which I'll go over when I post my "video analysis" in the next few weeks on the internet.  I traveled to the meeting with the only Congressional candidate that I believe stands a chance against Stupak - Linda Goldthorpe, a home-schooling, pro bono attorney from Helmer who's thrown her hat into the ring at the end of March.  It was funny.  She went up to him after the meeting and wished him a happy birthday (it was the 29th. of Feb.) and then proceeded to politely introduce herself and tell him that she was running for HIS seat.  There were about 20 of us there that went with Linda (and we all had some very good, well-thought out questions to ask him).  Oh...and by the way.  I'm not some "youtube" assassin.  I'm a concerned citizen who thinks our elected officials need to be held accountable for the way they vote for us in Washington.  I've come to the conclusion that one is only as patriotic as one is politically involved.  I have 6 home-schooled kids and a great wife, and believe that we, the people, better start taping ALL our government officials (they seem to feel it's OK to screw with our privacy - what makes them think they deserve any?)  Join us in our fight to have representative government in Congress. Check out MY GOP candidate for the First Congressional District at www.GoldthorpeforCongress.com or you can call me on my toll-free number to chat about Bart, the August primary, the November election, or more details on this or the other Bart meetings I've been to.  The number is 1-888-NO-AMERO.  Become a Political Patriot, Principle above Party.

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