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    The world is flat... don't argue!


    By Nick, Section News
    Posted on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:03:28 AM EST
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    Beware the flat-earthers and direct descendents of chimpanzees.  Academic freedom isn't just scary to these folks, it's anathema, and they're willing to do anything to put an end to critical thinking.  Several Grand Rapids area legislators are among sponsors of a new bill in Lansing that looks to ensure open and honest debate about controversial topics isn't squelched by a closed-minded "scientific" establishment.

    State Senator Bill Hardiman and Representative Dave Agema introduced bipartisan legislation in both wings of the Capitol.  It states that schools cannot prohibit teachers from helping students "understand, analyze, critique or review" in an objective manner the "strengths and weaknesses" of scientific theories.  It's been a few years since I got that old college degree and this subject never was my strength but isn't whole scientific method thing based asking questions, setting aside assumptions and pursuing truth no matter the direction?

    It would stand to reason then that scientists would fawn all over this legislation.  It ensures, codifies in law, their right to pursue various theories, no matter the prevailing "world is flat" dogma that has historically pervaded the broader scientific community.  For thousands of years.  Fawning they are not.  At least not this guy...

    Read on...

    The Grand Rapids Press reports:

    Gregory Forbes, a Grand Rapids Community College science professor, said there is nothing in the bills that demand teaching intelligent design with or in place of evolution.

    But he said the lawmakers who sponsored the bills -- including state Sen. Bill Hardiman, R-Grand Rapids, and Rep. Dave Agema, R-Grandville -- previously backed bills promoting intelligent design, and a version of the bill appeared on the Web site of the Discovery Institute, a Seattle think tank that has supported similar attempts.

    "What this shows is that they're getting better and better at writing cryptically worded bills," said Forbes, who sits on the Michigan Citizens for Science advisory board. He said similar bills were submitted in other states.

    Cryptically worded bills?  Hu-wha?  The bill frees the scientific community to pursue truth, unfettered by bureaucracy and the predilections of pop-science.  Sounds like somebody's got a hidden agenda here and it isn't the lawmakers.

    Mr. Forbes reaction is precisely why legislation like this is needed.  There's a sizeable chunk of teachers and administrators who've taken Darwin's theory and the theory of man-made global warming and established them as settled fact when nothing could be further from the truth.  Interestingly enough, none of the closed-minded bigots (and lets not get confused, at their core most of them are bigots) accept the entirety of Darwin's theory which draws horrifyingly racist conclusions.  

    And yet public school kids are taught that they're nothing special, just the product of some gases that exploded into a protoplasmic goo that sprouted a tail and eventually turned into the most complex organism in the universe.  Ask where those gasses came from in the first place and you're shouted down in the middle of class.  Believe me, I've been there personally.  

    Unquestionably Michigan's public schools are hostile to critics of controversial liberal theories.  Apparently our community colleges are as well.  And full of paranoids too.  Forbes admits there's nothing in the bill that introduces theories he doesn't like but opposes it what, for hoots and giggles?  It's the Greg Forbes of the State who make this important legislation.  Our kids shouldn't be badgered and bullied and shouted down by the likes of these closed-minded junk-"scientists."

    Explore.  Discuss.  Investigate.  And don't just take what Al Gore tells you as gospel.  THAT's the scientific method.  Silencing those you disagree with and squelching debate is so... fifteenth century.  

    And while we're in the way-back machine, might as well head back a few thousand years earlier to check in with good old Moloch and his pals.  That was about the last time in human history it was alright to systematically and barbarically slaughter young children.  Of course back then it was on the altar of a demon-god.  Today the altar is convenience.  And the leader of the pack, none other than Jennifer Granholm who told the world yesterday that she plans on vetoing the recently passed ban on partial birth abortion.

    A ban that's supported in survey after survey by 80+% of Michigan voters.  A ban that passed the Democrat controlled House with a veto-proof majority.  But a ban that could fall one vote short of an override in the Senate.  And so the horrific practice continues and living, breathing, fully developed human kids right here in Michigan will continue to get their brains vacuumed and their skulls crushed just because.  

    Oh, but we're not supposed to talk about that.  `That's not important,' the left tells us.  The regressisphere is full of complaints these days that anyone dares stand up for the defenseless and the downtrodden.  Aren't those ideals that they claim?  So much for that.  We're only allowed to talk about the economy, they insist on their blogs and their message boards.

    Alright, let's talk about it.  The Detroit News reports that 4,500 hundred Detroiters showed up for a job fair to compete for 400 total jobs.  But don't go off half cocked bragging that there are an astounding 400 jobs available in the City of Detroit.

    Ten city departments sought 250 workers such as bus drivers, landscapers, police officers and nurses, while another 35 employers such as Chase Bank, CVS Pharmacy and Comcast Corp. also took applications. Most applicants could find out if they landed a job within a few days or weeks.

    Lines snaked 20-30 people deep. Some waited in single queues 30 minutes to drop off a resume.

    So there are 150 entry level, high turnover private sector jobs available, odds and ends, in one of the largest cities in the United States of America?  And that's what the Democrats controlling this State want to hang their hats on these days?  

    Their call.

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    actually... (none / 0) (#1)
    by whatever on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:52:40 PM EST
    it wasn't non-religious scientists who spouted the "earth is flat" back in the day...folks were persecuted (jailed/tortured/killed) by the Church for dare suggesting things like the earth wasn't flat and other celestial blasphemy.

    other than that one small correction, please proceed.

    as a follow up... (none / 0) (#2)
    by whatever on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:57:29 PM EST
    without commenting on the legislation itself, i am stunned by the attempted rhetoric in this story to paint scientists as this head-in-the-sand retarded and dogmatic entities that have blocked the advancement of knowledge for "thousands of years."

    wtf? are you serious? what history books are you reading? dead serious question.

    it is historical fact that organized religion has vehemently persecuted knowledge and scientists who have dared to get us to think outside the book of genesis.

    that's not a knock or a slam on anyone or their religion--it's data-driven fact. indisputable.

    get real.

    some fun reading: (none / 0) (#3)
    by whatever on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:00:08 PM EST
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-sciencechristianity.htm

    again, it's your right to be in favor of this legislation...just don't lie about history in the process.

    What? (none / 0) (#4)
    by Nick on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:16:34 PM EST
    What's your objection exactly?  And what's with the introduction of religion into this debate?  You didn't get that from me.

    Science is supposed to be about asking questions and pursuing truth.  There have been, historically, accepted "scientific fact" that has simply been wrong and whenever it's been challenged those issueing said challenge face huge blow back.  

    That's a fact, as evidenced by the flat earth folks hundreds of years ago and the selective darwinists and global warming scaremongers today.  Anyone who questions accepted theory is ridiculed, insulted and marginalized.

    Quite unscientific.

    this is the problem (none / 0) (#5)
    by whatever on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:27:23 PM EST
    "It ensures, codifies in law, their right to pursue various theories, no matter the prevailing "world is flat" dogma that has historically pervaded the broader scientific community.  For thousands of years."

    the problem is that the article paints non-christians as being the narrow-minded "problem" for thousands of years, when in fact history shows the complete opposite: religion has persecuted knowledge for centuries.

    it's like some weird doublespeak or something. simply amazing.

    and nice the author points out the slaughtering that "demon worshippers" did back in the day...apparently this author's bible doesn't have an old testament.

    heck, god-fearing people back then were hacking whole families into hamburger for eating shrimp. come on.

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