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    It's time Michigan call a constitutional convention


    By dennislennox, Section News
    Posted on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:39:27 PM EST
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    With radical disgruntled Democrats pushing a host of deceptive constitutional amendments under the Reform Michigan Government Now umbrella, it's time for sensible legislators in Lansing to ask voters in November to call a constitutional convention in 2009.

    The constitutional convention question would have automatically come in November 2010 - it appears on the ballot every 16 years - but with the threat of Michigan government being destroyed by a partisan agenda, it's critical voters revise the state Constitution with practical solutions to the issues plaguing our state.

    Just as sensible Democrats, Republicans and independents came together under the leadership of George Romney and the auspices of Citizens for Michigan in the early 1960s, it's time for the same sensible folks to come together to ensure Mark Brewer's twisted fantasies aren't passed be naïve voters who think they're cutting the pay of senators and representatives and downsizing state government.

    While few in state politics have paid much attention to the issues surrounding a constitutional convention until very recently, I have been on the issue for more than year and had the opportunity to write bipartisan amendments aimed at cleaning up the Constitution of 1963.

    Read on...

    As a student at Central Michigan University, I participated in a semester-long research project by then-professor and Inside Michigan Politics editor Bill Ballenger. We examined the Constitution and possible changes that included virtually everything ever talked about and then some. We also decided we  needed a constitutional convention now instead of waiting until a vote in 2010.

    In the end, a large number of my proposals were adopted by our class using a mock legislature format. Unfortunately, some of my better proposals - such as eliminating individual boards of control for the 15 public universities and creating a single board of trustees that is partisan and elected on the statewide ballot - didn't gain support across the aisle to have the two-thirds support to pass.

    Nevertheless, what did pass was a good package of reform that was later adopted by Senator Michelle McManus, R-Lake Leelanau, who had me testify before a committee hearing and later introduced the measure as Senate Joint Resolution I.

    SJRI passed not only committee, but also the Senate as a whole. Sadly, it has been stalled in the House Judiciary Committee since early November 2007 - making passage and placement on this year's general election ballot unlikely. It was originally our hope that the House would have passed it in time for a vote to take place during the presidential primary election.

    But with yesterday's news that House Republican Leader Craig DeRoche, R-Novi, supports a constitutional convention question on November's ballot, there is renewed hope that my proposal will once again gain attention - driving the discussion towards the issues that a constitutional convention would likely examine.

    Certainly there are downsides to a convention - namely the high costs.

    There would be a special election for delegates, who in turn would have hefty campaign expenses as they would run on a partisan basis. You could expect hotly-contested campaigns, as a convention would essentially become an ideological tussle for many interest groups.

    Another major cost is the actual convention. Unless the Legislature took the unusual step of adjourning during the convention - freeing up the two chambers and associated committee rooms for convention delegates - there would need to be space allocated, as well as offices and staff support.

    This would all come at a high price for a state with a budget and economic crisis, but it would certainly be worth the cost when you weigh the alternative - complicated amendments that would essentially rewrite the Constitution bundled together in a deceptive package aimed at confusing voters.

    During my five months of in-depth study into the Michigan Constitution, I came to the conclusion a convention would have to consider term limits, consolidation of local units of government including the merging of counties to create regional authorities, the election of judges, removing archaic and invalid provisions from the 1963 text, restrictions on ballot question groups and numerous other issues.

    However, the biggest issue for both Democrats and Republicans was term limits.

    My proposal extended the maximum length of service to 20 years - allowing a legislator to serve four, two-year terms in the House and three, four-year terms in the Senate, or 10, two-year terms in the House. This was controversial, and was the only item in our package not introduced by McManus in the Senate.

    In an ideal situation, a successful reform of term limits proposal could also change the length of terms. There was significant support to limit House members to two, four-year terms for a total of eight years, while senators could serve two, six-year terms for a total of 12 years.

    This would allow legislators to focus more on serving constituents and do-away with the constant election cycle, and it wouldn't significantly increase their time in Lansing.

    While some might moan about allowing a representative or senator to spend 20 years in Lansing, the average length of service in states with and without term limits has historically been about 10 or 12 years - far below a possible cap of 20 years.

    But these are just a sampling of issues that would be examined in a constitutional convention. You can expect everything to be looked at, which is arguably good for Michigan.

    It's simple: Our state is broken. We need real reform, and a constitutional convention would give everyone the opportunity to participate and have their say - not just vested special interests, drawing up ballot proposals in smoke-filled Lansing offices.

    This is why I support a constitutional convention and will work to see the question passes if it's placed on the ballot in November.

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    No Cons and Con-Cons (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by chetly on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 07:25:14 PM EST
    The RMGN debacle is evidence of what bad can come from convention.

    Special interests will own the delegates, particularly since the Dems are sitting on the reform Marty Knollenberg proposed in Oct. 2007 that I pointed out to him last year.  The Michigan Campaign Finance Act of 1977 forgot - understandably due to the rareness of conventions - to include delegates in reporting category defintions.  And limit definitions.

    Democrats - I'm calling Ward Connerly if there's a convention and there no law to say he can't give me one giant donation, which I'd never have to report.  And I will run if there is a Con-Con, despite my hatred for it - largely to protect MCRI, but also to protect the initiative process, Headlee, and all that the people have earned in the last 40 years in at least marginally checking government excess.

    Republicans - Stryker nightmare.

    It's not individual candidates that evade the radar - its the potential for competing blocs of "sponsored" candidates.  A Herculean battle would occur.

    You think the raw costs of a convention in terms of administrative costs, staff, space, etc. are high.  The political costs, and the subtle changes that can only ultimately favor the elite power interests since they are best positioned, are huge.

    Fight both the Con RMGN and the Con of the Con-Con.


    Chetly Zarko
    Outside Lansing & Oakland Politics

    a couple of questions (none / 0) (#2)
    by goppartyreptile on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:02:01 PM EST
    Is it more likely that your changes will be the ones implemented during the ConCon, or everything that the RMGN people want?

    Remember which side owns two thirds of the government right now  (and if the tables were turned, the other side could say the same thing)...  and also remember there are 12 million or so people in this state, and not all of them agree with your proposal, or any other proposal.

    You state: "This would allow legislators to focus more on serving constituents and do-away with the constant election cycle"

    Is there any evidence that legislators ignore their constituents now?  And isn't there any opportunity to handle that already in place?  Like voting them out?

    You state: "It's simple: Our state is broken. We need real reform"

    Because you didn't like the outcomes of votes, etc., that they have taken? What has term limits caused that couldn't happen pre term limits?  Or would be limited by your expansion of term limits?

    The U.S. Congress has no term limits.  Are they or are they not currently engaging in the same sorts of behavior that we lament in this state and blame on term limits?

    It makes no sense to open up the Constitution, and let everyone dig out the bones, just to address a toxic ballot proposal that is overtly partisan and concede the point.  An incorrect point.

    I understand your perspective, and don't mean to sound harsh.  I'm bothered by the idea that if we just kept tinkering with things, and changed this statute or that, we'd finally get this state to work.  

    If we don't like the outcome of this or that legislation, we come up with a plan, and battle our ideas out.  We educate the public, and we win.  Or not.

     The point of the constitution is to make it extremely difficult for any faction to get it's way... that's the great compromise that keeps it in balance.

    And when the government tilts one way or the other, it is up to the electorate to decide which way is the best way to fix it.  And it is our mission to plead our case and win the argument.

    But it's much easier to blame the system than do the hard work to get it to work.

    I played a joke on a boss one time, in a shop I was working in.  I had a very, very expensive piece of wood that I was cutting, and as he walked past I yelled:  "I've cut this board three times already, and it's still too short!"

    Every time we blame the system when we don't get our way, and don't re evaluate what we did poorly,  and pledge to fix things rather than look at what's actually wrong, and yell about "special interests" and so on, we are cutting that board one more time.

    NO! NO! NO! Con Con (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by wctaxpayer on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 01:04:52 PM EST
    I do not want a bunch of politicians and their cronies making a bunch of decisions about a revamped constitution. It has been hard enough to correct the errors made the last time. They are making it harder all the time for the people to correct their blunders. If they think the Constitution needs to be changed, let them submit them to the people one or two at a time for our consideration.
    Rose Bogaert, Chair Wayne County Taxpayers Association, Inc.
    Umm, point of order . . . (none / 0) (#4)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 03:34:08 PM EST
    . . . don't we have a Michigan Con-Con as a mandatory ballot question coming in 2010?

    Perhaps, since it is indeed a mandatory Michigan ballot question every 16 years, we should then focus our efforts on keeping the truth of the trap out in the open.

    Just my two pence.

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