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By Juli on the Web, Section Multimedia
Posted on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:52:45 PM EST
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I don't like that petition either! | 14 comments (14 topical, 0 hidden)

Yup . . . (none / 0) (#1)
by Kevin Rex Heine on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 07:59:29 PM EST

. . . about how I felt after reading it, and that was with a couple pots of coffee to keep me going.

Oh, about two weekends ago I was able to get the petition away from the circulator. (Maybe it was because she was fighting a raging hangover at the time.) And I showed her the part where RMGN actually muzzles petitons; took her a good two minutes to pick her jaw up of the ground. (But that may have been hangover-related, too.)

File a Lawsuit (none / 0) (#2)
by Victor Laszlo on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 09:13:34 PM EST

Actually, the obvious way to kill the petition is to invalidate enough signatures so that it cannot make the ballot. However, another way to kill the petition will be file a lawsuit in Ingham County Circuit Court to prevent the issue from being placed on the ballot. If the Circuit Court enters an order allowing the issue to be placed on the ballot, then the order should be appealed to the Court of Appeals. Whoever loses the appeal will then have to file for leave to appeal to the Michigan Supreme Court.

Now, would it not be ironic if the proponents of the petition have to seek leave from the Supreme Court to decide whether or not the issue should be placed on the ballot that would result in eliminating two of the Supreme Court judges. Even if the it is the opponents of the petition that have to seek leave from the Supreme Court, at the end of the day, the Supreme Court will be deciding whether to place an issue on the ballot that will result in eliminating two Supreme Court justices.

Something tells me that under such circumstances, the Supreme Court is going to deny placement of the issue on the ballot. In such instance, the proponents can cry foul all they want about how the Supreme Court is only ruling to preserve their self interests but such whining would be pure hypocrisy on the part of the proponents.

but by goppartyreptile, 07/06/2008 10:47:01 AM EST (none / 0)

Wow... (none / 0) (#3)
by HughJM on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 10:33:46 AM EST

As a Liberal (and faithful Right Michigan reader), I am offended by the insidious politicizing of our judicial system by my fellow Michigan libs. Both sides have been guilty of this charge for some time, but the current ballot initiative being circulated is both draconian and ignorant. Our judicial system may be flawed in many ways, but it is far too important to play these kinds of games. Furthermore, after years of Dems accusing conservatives of packing the courts with "reactionary" judges, how are pragmatic libs like myself not supposed to look like criminally despotic political hacks? Why are we so focused on menial politicking instead of addressing the crushing problems our beloved state currently faces? Reforming our state government is critically important, but injecting politics into the courts is a dangerous way to do it.

He is correct, and in fact (none / 0) (#5)
by JGillman on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 11:22:56 AM EST

The Michigan Republican party should embrace the opportunity to show how Marxism gets a foothold with the assistance of so-called Democrats. Though most democrats wont want this either, some of their leadership has stepped over to the dark side.

The national Republican party should use as well.

Thank you Mark Brewer (none / 0) (#6)
by Victor Laszlo on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 11:33:00 AM EST

This issue is going to galvanize the Michigan GOP to use this issue to crush the liberal Democrats and Mark Brewer this Fall and 2010. Thank you Mr. Brewer for letting hubris get the better of you.

Let's see (none / 0) (#7)
by goppartyreptile on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 12:56:31 PM EST

Brewer created it.

Granholm found it "intriguing".

And Byrum is peddling it, even having said that any judge that rules on it suffers from a conflict of interest.

OH, and the funding? Gongwer had a quote from a public service union employee who said that they've been feeling pain, and it's time for the legislature to feel pain. And how did he end his comment? "F$%k em"

We have to change the dynamic, we have to make the people see what happened.

The fact that this thing is bad isn't the overall point, it's how it was created... it's how it's being represented.

It's the ultimate smoke filled room. We don't know who funded it, they lied to petition signers, they didn't submit the language for approval, they crafted it to favor them.

And they are the "pary of the people". Time to point out the truth.

And they just handed us a huge weapon with which to do it, if only someone will use it.

Don't focus on the legal side of this, focus on the politics.

If we focus on the politics, they get a huge, and I mean HUGE, black eye.

Dysfunctional Supreme Court (none / 0) (#8)
by RMGN on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 05:22:09 PM EST

Chicago Law School critical of Michigan Supreme Court

ANN ARBOR, MI (2008-06-16) Michigan's Supreme Court received harsh criticism in a new report from the University of Chicago Law School. The report ranks all fifty State Supreme Courts and Michigan's came in last. The rankings are based on judicial independence from political or outside influences, the number of published opinions, and how often the court is referenced by others. Tim Smith is an attorney in Traverse City. He says the report is a poor reflection on Michigan.

"As an attorney, I can't disagree with it," Smith said, "I can't say that I'm suprised. And as a member of the State Bar of Michigan it's embarrassing."

Smith says the most embarrassing part of the report deals with the court's judicial independence. He says the Michigan Supreme Court seems to be especially supportive of businesses. Recent national Chamber of Commerce reports have ranked the Michigan Supreme Court highly. The court has not responded to the study.
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So defeat them... by Nick, 07/06/2008 05:25:46 PM EST (none / 0)
what C-R-A-P by goppartyreptile, 07/06/2008 05:34:18 PM EST (none / 0)
I live in Traverse City by JGillman, 07/06/2008 06:15:12 PM EST (none / 0)
Attorney Tim Smith by Victor Laszlo, 07/07/2008 02:11:21 PM EST (none / 0)

Wall Street Journal calls our Supreme Court #1 (none / 0) (#13)
by Republican Michigander on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 09:36:29 PM EST

Opinions are like a'holes. Everyone's got one. Wall Street Journal called us the best court in the country.

UChicago...isn't that Barack's old school. If they didn't like it, that sounds good to me.

There are some who seem to have a couple.. by JGillman, 07/08/2008 05:04:54 PM EST (none / 0)

I don't like that petition either! | 14 comments (14 topical, 0 hidden)

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